Thursday, January 29, 2009

Third Topic

We covered a lot of ground today and last class. So... go at it with whatever topic you want from this week. Don't forget to respond to one another!

21 comments:

  1. We discussed how we could get to the tipping point about homosexuality. Well my tipping point to support my daughter was the other day when i told my own child not to put pictures of her and her girlfriend on my pages. Not because i am ashamed that she is gay, but because of what others would think. In my Social problems class, i asked a young man "when do you get to a point,when what others say isn't important?" i had i guess an epiphany(sp) after class,i was one of those people,who worried about what others thought. So actually mentioning in class that my daughter was gay was my tipping point. Will i be out marching for her equal rights? Yes, eventually, but with that mindset not much can be done if others say "yeah i will..... eventually". Dr.G has seen me very "excited" for a lack of better words in a past class, concerning religion and homosexuality, that was my way of tipping, i was fighting in a small group setting,but if i and others take a stand and get "excited" more often and more openly then possibly i can make a change for my daughter and others. The first change "i" have to make is to apologize to my daughter,and not worry about "what others will think".

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  2. Tipping points are seen in social issues and throughout our own personal lives. We all face that point in our lives where we decide if we are going to take our lives seriously or keep fooling around. Like in our education for instance. Some people start out not attending class regularly, studying for tests, or don't contribute or participate in class and then when it's time to become a junior or senior they jump on the bandwagon. It's a learning experience!! Sometimes we need that "kick in the butt" or tipping point to turn it around. For me, it was after I had my son as a teenager! I had to figure out if I was going to continue to be another statistic or better myself. Society functions the same way. We have issues like homosexuality, interracial discrimination, poverty, homelessness, or educational discrimination that still exist in our society. Once we find a tipping point for these issues then, our society will grow to except these issues. Yeah maybe at first it may be hard to be Bold and help speak out about these issues but I do feel that once we see it a few times then we'll have the confidence to agree or disagree. The election, major city homicides, AIDS awareness campaigns, and the civil rights movement are good examples of successful tipping points that influenced society.

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  3. crystal honestly i do believe who cares what others may think...did you ever think how your daughter felt when you told her not to put them pictures up...think if it was the other way around what if she told you not to put pictures up of you and your girlfriend because she didnt know how society would react wouldnt you feel some kind of way...to me Gays dont bother me im as straight as they can get...to be honest i think most gays are the realiest friends because they would speak the truth and wouldnt care what others may say...they "gays" have the goods of both worlds...meaning can relate to certan situations....some may say im crazy but i dont care..

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  4. Nazeidre as far as students not attending classes as freshmen and sop. i think that comes from their discipline before they got to college. students how attend classes on a regular i believe are more discipline when it comes to their education. I think more students would attend classes often if they wouldnt be getting taught in the same structure everyday...(teacher sitting at the desk reading out the book while students are texting and thinking about what they going to do once they get out of class) I believe students would attend classes more if they could look forward to something new each class session...

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  5. A tipping point in society occurs when people get tired of no one listening to them after they tried time after time to get their voice heard or get whatever accomplished that they were trying to get accomplished. I call a tipping point the "go getter" people not stopping to they get the mission accomplish.

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  6. Donchelle, no actually i didn't think like that, but as a mother you want to protect your child from any and all evils, i am now coming to the realization that i am not able to do that, and that my daughter is going to have to take all that i have given her and hope that she takes it and utilizes it in her best interest. I felt that and still feel only because of what society has shown that, all things are not for display, and that her choices as well as other choices we make not only affect one they affect many, and in her case, could be detrimental to her well being as well as her future career. Am i right maybe not, but what a lot of young people don't realize is employers are looking online,Myspace, facebook, etc to see who they have or will be hiring. And for whatever reason (myself included)we have just put ourselves on blast for all to see (yall didn't know i was cool like that"blast") anyway so if her future employers sees this will they hold it against her? they shouldn't but the reality is they might.So why give someone more reason to shoot you down. Also i didn't say i didn't like homosexuals, hell i have more gay friends then straight, i just want what is best for them as well as my child. I have two gay friends who teach for the public school system and their middle school kids have no idea, but can you imagine how they feel as well as most gay people who have to hide their true identiities? That is our world. I don't know of any gay person or person with any differences that society may deem not acceptable wanting to be different, and ostercized for what they think, how they feel,or who they sleep with. So again, what is the tipping point? enough people saying enough is enough? who is going to start?

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  7. Donchelle i agree and disagree, it is always easier to blame someone or something else on others,to throw the blame away from the individual. As parents we can only instill in our children so much, we live,learn, process, and give to our children, what they do with the information is up to them. Going to class has to me nothing to do with how a person grew up,it is the individuals choice. I think alot of college students (including my child, who by the way would kill me if she knew i talked about her so much, guess i miss the punkinhead)anyway students get away from home and go freakin wild! it is the freedom!Admit it, i did it too,but some where along the line reality sets in and some times it is too late and they are scrambling around trying to catch up. Now if a child lived in a home with little or no structure that is different, they don't know any better. Also teachers aren't all like Greenfield and they should be more in tuned with their students, i think teaching as gotten boring to some teachers,and they don't realize their teaching skills suck, or they are just getting a check, they don't realize the impact they have on some, or they are burnt out,from trying and not seeing the results they hoped for, so they kind of go along with the program. Students should attend class because they know they need to learn.

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  8. In class we have dicussed tipping point as everyone knows, but I have been battling back and forth with trying to understand how you determine the tipping point of any situation. Do you determine the tipping point by how society starts to react and change? or do you determine the tipping point by when the people start to think differently?

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  9. Ms. Mason, I like the question... in some ways, it makes us question - "who" or "what" is "society" after all? Can there be different types of tipping points or even multiple points? Hmmmm... keep the discussion going!

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  10. Shawna I think that tipping point starts when people start to think diffrently.When people see that something is wrong and something needs to be changed thats when they decide to step up. Sometimes society has nothing to do with it because it starts inside the person. Yes, it may take something drastic for it to become a tipping point but in order for society to see whats going on a person is needed. The person is used like a captain and the captain guides the crew which is society to let them know what is needed to be done in order to change a situatiion.

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  11. Donchelle I agree with you. I have heard many students say "I'am not going to class because the professor is boring and I already know that they are going to be talking about the exact topic we discussed the previous day." I understand that a professor may have a certain teaching style but sometimes it needs to be let go and something else needs to take place. Dr. Greendfield gives us something new every class session. That we can take with us out of the class. We are not in the class listening to him teach out the book he interacts with us so that we can take the topic deeper and understand more. Students want something exciting that pops out at them like their cellphones, ipods, and laptops. Things that catch their attention so that they want be so bored and not pay attention. Professors need to take other steps when they are preparing their lectures. Instead of just reading blah, blah, turn the lecture into a little game and split the class up into teams so that they can work together with one another to get an answer. That way the class will be having fun, learning, and not know what to expect next class. I don't expect a class to be a day at an amusement park but give the students something to look forward to when entering the class for GOD SAKES!!!!

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  12. Shawna I think that tipping point is derived from both factors when people start to think differently and how society reacts. I think that when society starts to think about change then they'll react. It goes back to the election. President Obama was an idea of the first African American president. They had to think that maybe he can actually do the job or they thought I want to see history. People had to think that this is what they wanted and actually react on it and voted for him. Or, think about the Civil Rights Movement. It took people actually thinking about detailed tactics and strategies to get others to react. That's how I look at both factors. Hope that helped you but that's how I look at it.

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  13. Donchelle I still believe that students have to get to a tipping point in their education. Students do have receive certain freedoms after leaving their homes. Even the best of disciplined children start to realize the freedoms that they have and start embarking on a journey. It's up to them to decide if they will keep traveling or if they'll stop and enjoy the scenery. Meaning; Students can party all the time, come to class whenever, only study for mid-terms or finals, and text the whole time during lectures. Or they can try to read their chapters even when they have boring professors, attend class regularly, take notes, and take their education seriously. Normally this behavior doesn't happen until junior or senior year. I'm not a statistician but that's what I see and hear. I do feel as though some gay/lesbians are more real than hetero's.

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  14. I take the discussion that we had in class very seriously. This is an issue that is closes and dear to me. I can say I believe in civil unions between same sex but can I really say I believe gay marriages should be legal. I can honestly say that our society is ever so changing, and in my opinion it shouldn't matter if your name is the same, or if you have a wedding. What should matter is the love between one another. I believe that people should be allowed do what makes them happy, and the laws of the land should apply accordingly. I also believe that there will need to be a tipping point to severely impact the lives of people facing this major problem. It will take true hero's in heart to fight towards a cause so worthy. The tipping point for Homosexual marriages will have to be extreme, because American society is highly unfavorable of gays and lesbians. This is mainly because of religious views interfering with our newly changing society. Who can ever say there will be a tipping point? As long as society thinks the issue isn't important, I guess people will treat it as so.

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  15. Crystal I can truely relate to what your saying. I can understand why it was so hard for you to tell the class about your daughter. My mom attends school at ECSU and she tells me of the story's and conversations people have about gays and there lifestyles. My mom said at first she would hold back from class discussions about gays because she didn't want her views to be in conflict with others. Now my mom realizes the true sense of self expression, and person's rights. She lets me know how ignorant people can be and how there opinions towards others can be truely unthought of. My mom is truely a religious women, but is definately not jugemental of people and their liftstyles. She tells me all the time that she loves me and will not judge me, and the same from my brothers and sisters. I think when there is a support system within a family, it only makes things better.

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  16. This topic about the tipping point of same sex marriages was discussed thoroughly in class. I feel like that same sex marriages will never truly tip. This country was built on a religous background and because of that, I don't think it will tip. In class we came up with so many ideas and just when we thought that we may have the solution, Doc hit us with another question. Personally, I am a lesbian, and I was a little skeptical about putting my business out on the net, but I am happy my family accepts me, so people's opinions about me being this way are ignored. But, I wanted to say that I really do not care if same sex marriages are legalized. Marriage just gives u some benefits as a citizen in America that you can't get when you are "single". There isn't a paper in the world that could measure how much I love someone. Just because I'm a lesbian and I love my partner and I'm not legally married, does that make my relationship less of a committment than a heterosexual couple? We may do the same things as a heterosexual couple. I still have to provide for my family and I love my partner just like a heterosexual woman loves her husband. I'm not saying that marriage isn't important, but honestly, I feel like it's just a piece of paper saying that because you two are legally together, u can get a check for the other spouse if death occurs or etc. Remember these are MY opinions, only opinions.

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  17. "A tipping point in society occurs when people get tired of no one listening to them after they tried time after time to get their voice heard or get whatever accomplished"


    I belive that these words are true and honest. In the society we live in most influential tipping points are constructed through Hatred, Anger, and violence. People want to be heard, a struggle cannot people telivised if it is not broadcasted first; PEOPLE; we have to be intuned with the hurt, pain, and destruction so that true triumph can occur. If you look at the past and examine the many changes that have occured over time you would realize that change not only comes with a price, it comes with a deep soulful need, a need that can only be fufilled with the "tipping" or change of a societys norms... I think

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  18. I'd never really thought much about social change unless it was a personal quest or one from those close and dear to me. After reading Mr. Gladwell excerpt, I have a different view. The class converstation left me thinking about the subject of lesbians/gays/same sex marriage for quite a few days. Personal choices are just that personal choices and it is not my or anyone else's place to point an accusatory finger of shame or discrimination because their intimate preference are different from a heterosexual. I think the key word is: RESPECT!!! I applaud every individual that stands proud and embrace their individuality, sexual orientation and decision.

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  19. Keisha, I"m so proud of you!! Personally, I feel as you do, marriage is just a piece of paper. Society makes such a big deal out of heterosexual marriages, but how many actually keep those vows?
    Why should one be made to feel ashamed of who they are or who they fall in love with and why is the government still in our bedrooms?? I think I'm the oldest one in class, 53 and my views on sexuality have not changed, do you. I'm totally heterosexual, but I know that love comes in many facets. I have several gay and lesbian friends, but I don't look @ their sexual preference to say "who they are". They are human beings first, just like myself. I rather tend to look inside a person to learn their selfworth, that's what's really important!! Just this weekend, my daughter, who is 19, learned that a classmate of her was gay, she laughed and said, Michael, I knew you were gay in the seventh grade! Don't ever be ashamed of WHO YOU ARE!! My tipping point is w/those who are!!!!!

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  20. Mrs. watson and Kesiha i agree with the both of you as well, who gives of flying...who you sleep with...i believe your business behind close doors is your business. gays and lesbians are the same to me as heterosexuals...the only differences is their sexually pleasure...now if you would have asked me my views back in the 7th grade it would have been different i guess you could say my tipping point was when i accepted my best friend from the 6th grade who was afraid to come out and tell me and another friend...i realize how hard it was for her to come out and how bad it hurt her she hide it from the two of us. I realize she is still the same person and she eat bleed and sleep as i do why was i so homophobic... i guess you could say i open my horizons...
    a thing i notice about people who have homophobics friends is they are afraid that their friend would be attracted to them when in most cases they arent...funny huh...but i have alot of lesbian friends and we talk all the time...and its funny to me because thats the first thing most of them had in common when "coming out the closet"

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  21. I was born at the tipping point. I will march sing yell sing for the same sex marriage. Who am i to tell a person they are wrong for loving that women or man. AS i recall on sin is no bigger then the other so i say go head and love who or what you wanna love love is love and alot of of might need 2 learn no care so much what other people think who care we are all suppose 2 be grown why care bout what sally says

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